TEDDYBEAR
Registered: 15/03/06
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Reply with quote | #31 |
Stafford hill guns are the closest copy to original colt fire arms in looks weight feel and dimensions but if you are talking about fast draw guns there are only three that I would recommend first cheap and nasty i.e. the phoenix 22 or 9 mil cal these are just start off guns to see if you like the fast draw second trinity’s designed for the fast draw and only fast draw good copies but over sized third Stafford hill conversions i.e. Adler Jaeger based on the colt 73 model personally I have one of the said guns and I think it is a lot better than the trinity as somebody has posted are piettas any good for fast draw well one of my friends had one he used it in the fast draw after four weeks in the fast draw thumbusting not fanning it had ripped all the sears of the hammer and all six cylinder locks were worn out not made for fast draw Some other friends from other clubs have had them and they have the same probs with the cylinders jamming up because they are not strippable and break parts for fun and as the trinity’s being over priced as somebody has said you only pay for what you want you might pay a bit more than say a pietta but with in 12 months you would of paid more out than a second hand trinny This is why gunfighters buy trinnys this is my opinion only but there does not seem to be many fast draw shooters on this site so will be interesting to see if there is a response to these questions |
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bigwyatt
Registered: 05/07/04
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Reply with quote | #32 |
Teddy bear the simple reason why fast draw guys bugger up there guns weather they are pietta or not is that these guns like jagers ubertis Adler's etc are not designed for fanning same as the original colts .
fast draw is a sport and like the trinity not a true replication of the west ,uberti is no more closer to an original colt than pietta and san marco and as for staffs well most of them are pretty well played out now .
if you could get a gunsmith to fit a taller locking bolt in a pietta and cut deeper notches in the cylinder you'd have a gun that could be fanned .
the pietta action is superior to trinitys and its a better built gun and the 1873 pattern FV models have become a damn site more popular and sought after than trinitys .
the votes speak volumes .
cheers Wyatt
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TEDDYBEAR
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Reply with quote | #33 |
this was the post augustus posted befor about pietta
Just out of curiosity has anybody ever tried doing fast draw with a pietta? and if they have how do they compare with the Trinity's?
Augustus
i was just answering what i no about the piettas
why would i pay over £300 for a pietta gun then have to find and pay for a gunsmith to work on the gun and it would not look right when its done all so i could use it in a fast-draw when i could just buy a Trinity that dose the job without all the messing about
i also stated in my post that the trinity doesn't look like the real thing it was built for 1 job and that is fast-draw and that's what we pay for
and as for your comment about staffs u used to say these was the best guns u could get as i still think they are that's my op pinion like everyone has one
as for the piettas i have never owned 1 but i have seen afew the plain ones look OK but the engraved ones look cheep that is my opinion every 1 that i no with them always have pr obs with blow-backs and not been able to take the cylinder out to free them so to me this a unreliable gun to me
as you say every one is after them that's only because they can't get anything else mate
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bigwyatt
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Reply with quote | #34 |
staffs are the best guns you could get brand new TB but rarely do you find one in good condition now a days as they are an old gun and if its been used in the fast draw then its been pretty well hammered .
for a new out of the box gun the pietta gets my vote from a reenactors point of view , for fast draw then as i posted the trinity is best suited for that job but its still way over priced and full of faults .
you by a gun on affordability ,and for the job its required to do ,they all serve a purpose and they all have there good and bad points .
cheers Wyatt
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Chance
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Registered: 14/06/06
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Reply with quote | #35 |
Quote: Originally Posted by TEDDYBEARStafford hill guns are the closest copy to original colt fire arms in looks weight feel and dimensions
I would disagree there. Armi San Marco Peacemakers are as near identical to a Colt as makes no difference. Ubertis just don't quite cut it.
Chance
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Don
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Chance the ASM Blank firers over here have floating fireing pins like the Schmidt do they also do them with the normal fireing pins as i have never seen one, i did have one once and found them a nice and reliable gun like the Schmidt but got rid becauce the FP wasnt PC Don
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TEDDYBEAR
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Reply with quote | #37 |
Quote: Originally Posted by bigwyatt
staffs are the best guns you could get brand new TB but rarely do you find one in good condition now a days as they are an old gun and if its been used in the fast draw then its been pretty well hammered .
there more and more good staff come out the wood work over the last year
QUOTE=bigwyatt] for a new out of the box gun the pietta gets my vote from a reenactors point of view , for fast draw then as i posted the trinity is best suited for that job but its still way over priced and full of faults .
yes i wood have to say trinity 2000 and on are not that good and i wood not pay as much as i wood for a 1991 to 1999 one
some do pay way to much for them i seen them go for £700 - £800 way to much sud be about £500 - £550 and the 2000 mlenum was going for over £1000 pound toto much
as for a gun out the box pietta is the ally one i no the come in a box now and it not a pole about what come in a box lol
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bigwyatt
Registered: 05/07/04
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Reply with quote | #38 |
as you know i own most makes TB ,i like them all as they all have a place in the western hobby and are of interest to reenactor and collectors alike ,first gen terry white Trinity's were the in vogue iron to buy at one time .
i think San Marco Schmidt uberti and staff hill have all been a popular and sought after choice at one time or another ,this past year or two its been the FV pietta .
i hear Trinity's patent is up for renewal with the home office come January so
we shall see if they are allowed to carry on manufacturing the 2nd gen trinity in the new year .
cheers Wyatt
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horseapples
Registered: 02/10/06
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Reply with quote | #39 |
I had a San Marco Peacemaker in .45 Colt in the old days. Didn't shoot worth a damn and almost every internal part had to be replaced at least once but looked more like an original Colt than any other clone around at the time. It did have a proper firing pin and they were offered with either the cross bolt or what's known as the 'black powder frame'. Exceptionally pretty guns and as Chance says, virtually indistinguishable from the originals. |
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Snowcloud
Registered: 20/07/07
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Reply with quote | #40 |
Hi this is my first post
I use a adler fanning full action and my son uses it aswell as a pietta thumbing. The pietta lighter for him but he prefers the adler.(he is ten)
I also have a MGC that i fan with it's a lot lighter for speed.
Trinity is a nice gun but know a lot of people having a lot of trouble with the newer ones
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bigwyatt
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Reply with quote | #41 |
Hi Snowcloud ,yeah the pietta is lighter and better balanced than the rest ,Ive thumbed it at speed without any problems and Adler again is a well built iron .
the 2nd gen Trinity's Ive never owned but handled and used a few ,the problems stem from the barrel being overly hardened to the point of being brittle and then having 2 off set baffles that run the total length of the barrel .
the gun chokes up with black powder as it cannot vent out all the gas and powder through the baffle so cocking the gun becomes a problem after about 5 or 6 shots .
cheers Wyatt
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Jed
Registered: 28/02/06
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Reply with quote | #42 |
I have used most of what have been described, both in re-enactment and fast draw. Pietta are good, light and well balanced, but there is a lot of work to be done to the action to make it acceptable, especially to the main spring. My little sherrif works well with some work done and is very fast. I do not understand the comments about Trinity, yes a bit heavy, but it is very robust, again with some work done on the action, nothing is sweeter. I have never tried a new generation Trinity, so cannot comment. ASM, again a sweet action and good straight from the box, I think better than the early Piettas'. Adler and Jager also good and comparable to ASM, and do not need to much doing to them to get a smooth sweet action.
Recent regulations have made all the the current crop of pistols unstripable, so we have to be content with the way they have been put together in Italy. If we want the benefit of improving our personal pistols, then we do have to go down the FAC route towards cap and ball. My current favourite has to be my little navy sherrif, light, fast, goes bang every time, and I do have a supply of spares to keep it going!
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Nochaydelklinne
Registered: 20/11/03
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All blank firers are fine...enjoy what you have and use them often but the best gun of all for re-enactment has got to be the good-old scatter gun!!! (lol)  |
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Nochaydelklinne
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bigwyatt
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Reply with quote | #45 |
Hi ponch ,i only set the poll for 10 days and i think it reflects on the more common and favorite blank firers within the reenactment scene today .
as i posted previous they all have good and not so good points ,its down to personal preference and of course 2 other deciding factors affordability , availability .
cheers Wyatt
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