Augustus
Registered: 28/02/07
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Does anybody know which would have been more popular in the West Smoking or Chewing Tobacco? Also on a can of Copenhagen it sates "Fresh Since 1822" does anybody have any evidence that "Copenhagen" snuff was available in the old west?
Augustus
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bigwyatt
Registered: 05/07/04
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id say smoking was the more popular as rich and poor smoked but chewing tobaco was more for the working classes i think.
cheers wyatt
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BLUEBONNET
Registered: 11/10/09
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Gus i'm bringing a couple of tins of chewing tobacco to rays at the weekend |
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Stuart
Registered: 24/03/04
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Chewing tabacco yuk.
Having never been a smoker the idea to me is horrible, just my opinion.
Having said that I know Staggers chews, and spits, as it fits the impression of who he is trying to portray.....is this going to far....lol
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Boot
Registered: 06/03/05
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It's difficult to say which was the most common many did both.
I don't think it was a class thing either, remember there were spitoons in the White House.
Boot.
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TsalagiDave
Registered: 30/09/09
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I agree with Boot, the idea of "class" is not so much the issue as it is not as defined in America as it is in Europe. Hence the stereotype that we are less sophisticated, refined, etc...
Chewing is an easier way of getting the nicotine fix without going through the ritual or rolling, packing, lighting and the like. It is also more convenient to manage. I find a plug easier to deal with when riding, working or going about town. Spitting on the ground in someone's path is just as rude now as it was then but so is blowing smoke in someone's face.
In the SouthWestern culture, it was polite to cease your smoke and discard it when being addressed by a woman or elder. Instead of throwing away a full stogie, it made more sense to smoke small cigarillos or turn your head and spit out your cud when addressed.
-Dave
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TsalagiDave
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Historical quote:
The chewing of tobacco was well-nigh universal. This habit had been widespread among the agricultural population of America both North and South before the war. Soldiers had found the quid a solace in the field and continued to revolve it in their mouths upon returning to their homes. Out of doors where his life was principally led the chewer spat upon his lands without offence to other men, and his homes and public buildings were supplied with spittoons. Brown and yellow parabolas were projected to right and left toward these receivers, but very often without the careful aim which made for cleanly living. Even the pews of fashionable churches were likely to contain these familiar conveniences. The large numbers of Southern men, and these were of the better class (officers in the Confederate army and planters, worth $20,000 or more, and barred from general amnesty) who presented themselves for the pardon of President Johnson, while they sat awaiting his pleasure in the ante-room at the White House, covered its floor with pools and rivulets of their spittle. An observant traveller in the South in 1865 said that in his belief seven-tenths of all persons above the age of twelve years, both male and female, used tobacco in some form. Women could be seen at the doors of their cabins in their bare feet, in their dirty one-piece cotton garments, their chairs tipped back, smoking pipes made of corn cobs into which were fitted reed stems or goose quills. Boys of eight or nine years of age and half-grown girls smoked. Women and girls "dipped" in their houses, on their porches, in the public parlours of hotels and in the streets.
A History of the United States since the Civil War Volume: 1. by Ellis Paxson Oberholtzer; p.93
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TsalagiDave
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Augustus
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bluebonnet
Gus i'm bringing a couple of tins of chewing tobacco to rays at the weekend
I'll take a chaw with you Bluebonnet see you soon
Gus
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rebelraider
Registered: 23/07/07
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I seem to remember that Charles Dickens in his book"letters from America" stated that nearly every one he met out there chewed tobacco.I think he traveled out there in the 1840s or 50s though,so perhaps by the time of the post civil war era smoking had gained more popularity. |
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fedhead
Registered: 29/11/06
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For labels use the LOC website they are free anyway that's where Sullivan gets some of his. |
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TsalagiDave
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FrankMcClaury
Registered: 09/05/07
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Smoke, you can't beat a good Cuban cigar, they can be a mite pricey, but they are well worth it. |
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Nat
Registered: 10/03/08
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Not wanting to be negative but it really worries me that good friends are chewing tobacco really bad idea as this puts pards at real risk to mouth and throat cancer. I would not advocate this!  |
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Boot
Registered: 06/03/05
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Quote: Originally Posted by FrankMcClaury Smoke, you can't beat a good Cuban cigar, they can be a mite pricey, but they are well worth it.
Boot.
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