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TsalagiDave

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By the way, Papago Indians used to crucify their old enemies, the Apache when they caught them.

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Heck - the Romans were crucifying folk 2000 years ago - I don't think a lot changes over the centuries - mans inhumanity to man and all that.


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Heres a little known one good thread as somebody said there could be hundreds of books on the subject ask the Spanish they wrote them after the inquisition haha

' Which brings us to one of my favorite Native American torture techniques. I believe the Iroquois were particularly known for this one. A small hole is drilled into the lower belly of the victim. His or her intestine is pulled out some and nailed to a tree. The victime is then forced to walk around the tree in circles, until the entire intestinal thread is pulled out...slowly. '
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It is said that the white man taught the Indians to scalp  . ?

I think it goes back to Revolutionary War period when the British encouraged their Indian allies to kill the early settlers and bring back their ears as proof for a bounty, they then went on to get the scalps as apparently with the ears some of the Indians were taking any ears they could find from any body to get the bounty.

lets not forget also that up until the early 1900's  certain Mexican states were paying bounties for Apache scalps .. mens, womens and childrens ... the white man was by no means any more civilised then than the Indian was in some respects.

That is a common story in American History but there is existing evidence that some tribes were practicing scalping long before europeans even arrived on the continent.  But before they take too much heat, most cultures in their early tribal stages engaged in the practice of taking parts of their enemies as trophies. White or Indian, people share an equal capacity for brutality toward their enemies.

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Wasn't removing a scalp or other body part meant to ensure they could not go to the after life, as you had to be whole to do so. I think that this is something I've read somewhere over the years?
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Wasn't removing a scalp or other body part meant to ensure they could not go to the after life, as you had to be whole to do so. I think that this is something I've read somewhere over the years?
Chris

Hi Chris,

The religious beliefs of the native people varied greatly.  Mutilating a corpse so that it would be disfigured in the next life was a practice of some of the plains and woodland tribes.  Taking a scalp was just another way of counting a kill and was commonly practiced by various groups of ancient civilizations throughout the world. Such prized items included scalps, ears, fingers, tongues, entire heads and genetalia and many other body parts as well.

The plains tribes had varied religious beliefs and customs that were vastly different from the gods and spirits worshiped by the pueblo indians.  My mother's people believe in "Yowa" who is a trinity comprized of the "three elder fires of above".  The first woman came out of a corn stalk that grew from the man's chest cavity as he slept.  Becaus of all these similarities, the Tsalagi converted to Christianity seeing it as the same religion that the whites had but with a different spin.  Compare this to the beliefs of the Nootkas on the opposit side of the continent and it is two totally different things.

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