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DixiePiobaire

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Boot, I think your original point on the scarcity of Confederate Overcoats / Greatcoats is well proven. I've spent the latter part of the evening going through well over a thousand individual soldier images in the LOC without finding a single 'new to me' image showing an Overcoat (or if you're searching in the LOC .. 'Greatcoat' as that's how they describe them). Not wasted time though, as I was able to gain a number of original images of Union soldiers in Overcoats to add to my image library!

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I like the 1st Virginia photo, the pattern of overcoat is very similar to the one worn by the young fellow for his portrait. They appear to close with large wooden buttons at the body with none on the cape.

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In the distant recesses of my mind I've only one recollection about Confederate troops being issued overcoats, these being troops from Arkansas having state issued overcoats sourced from civilian charity whereby women in the home would make overcoats to supply the state and hence their troops. Lord knows where I read it though...
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I've seen that too HA .. plus references in individuaql State's regulations .. but can't find illustrative evidence to back it up!

This is the pic of 1st Virginia that we normally see .. though there seems to be a degree of argument about when it was taken .. some claiming that it was as early as 1858 when they were still a Virginia Militia unit. LOC has it listed as 1861, as with the other one I posted.

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The only other pic that I found last night that included an Overcoat on a Confederate was this .. Henry Thomas Harrison, the Confederate Spy that brought word of Union troop movements to Longstreet and Lee just before Gettysburg.

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I'm not suprised that you have not been able find many images of Confederate  soldiers in greatcoats in the LOC or i bet  in the MOC collection. Remember the Union blockade soon cut off the supplies needed by the photographers to make a image, or took it to such fantastic prices that no enlisted man could pay for for one. Since all the early war images we see of great coats are pre the setting up of the any of the CS clothing Bureaus across the Confederacy non of them can be call CS Government issue. trying to find an image of a Confederate enlisted man in a CS Government made overcoat may be flogging a dead horse. on the brighter side we do now that hey were issued if we go back to the writtern record.
I have taken this from A survey of Confederate central Government Quatermaster Issue jackets by Les Jensen Maybe you boys should read it. 

"...In books written since the war, it seems to be the thing to represent the Confederate soldier as being in a chronic state of starvation and nakedness. During the last year of the war this was partially true, but previous to that time it was not any more than falls to the lot of all soldiers in an active campaign. Thriftless men would get barefooted and ragged and waste their rations to some extent anywhere, and thriftlessness is found in armies as well as at home. When the men came to houses, the tale of starvation, often told, was the surest way to succeed in foraging... " 6

   A close look at contemporary Confederate records, in­cluding those for the blackest period of the war, reveal some startling statistics. For example, during the last six months of 1864 and including to 31 January 1865, the Army of Northern Virginia alone was issued the following:

104,199 Jackets                         140,570 Pairs of Trousers
              167,862 Pairs of Shoes 
157,727 Cotton Shirts                170,139 Pairs of Drawers                 146,136 Pairs of Shoes 
74,851 Blankets                          27,011 Hats and Caps                      21,063 Flannel Shirts 
                                                      4,861 Overcoats

   These were field issues only, and did not include issues to men on furlough, detailed at posts, paroled and exchanged prisoners or any other issues. Moreover, these were over­whelmingly central government issues, and did not include issues by any states except part of North Carolina's. During this same period, Georgia provided to the Confederate Army as a whole, over and above the figures quoted above:

26,795 Jackets                            28,808 Pairs of Trousers                 37,657 Pairs of Shoes 
24,952 Shirts                               24,168 Pairs of Drawers                  23,024 Pairs of Socks
7,504 Blankets
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   At this same time, field returns showed the Army of Northern Virginia with a maximum strength of 66,533, including 4,297 officers.
8  Obviously, because of personnel turnover, the actual number of people in the army was somewhat greater; but at the same time it is obvious that with the exception of overcoats, hats and caps, and flannel shirts, many of which had already been provided, the Army of Northern Virginia was not only well supplied, but in some cases extravagantly so.        
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A fantastic article on this subject by a very well respected historian , a must read for any of you interested in this subject matter.

http://www.adolphusconfederateuniforms.com/the-imported-british-overcoat-for-the-confederate-army.html

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A really in depth article. Best all around images I have ever seen of that coat!
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A great find Fedhead .. one of the best articles (and best illustrated) on the subject that I've ever seen. Many thanks for posting!

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