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This might be of help CharlieWaite .. not sure.

http://www.mcpheetersantiquemilitaria.com/05_accoutrements/05_item_003.htm

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This Google Book has an actual picture of The 6th Cavalry .. round about page 83 (you can slide it up or down on screen) .. they don't appear to be wearing sabres, they've got them strapped to their saddles.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=XR_oRjNZFxsC&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=sabre+straps+on+prairie+belt&source=bl&ots=PlONm_zn03&sig=wchgtEiqd7K1hEedIijJvewN0Fk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F2eqUbPmGKiw0AX2-oHwAQ&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=sabre%20straps%20on%20prairie%20belt&f=false

Page 108 makes specific reference to the wearing of Sabres on Prairie Belts


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Charlie, why would you want to wear a sabre on a prairie belt? by the 1880's sabre's were pretty much redundant except for dress purposes. there is a famous photo of the 3rd Cav. in the Apache campaign with sabres but all the ones carrying sabres are wearing the leather belt with the Eagle plate buckle. If they did attach the sabre to the prairie belt I presume it would be by using the "Jeb Stuart" brass hook sabre attachment that fit through one of the belt loops.
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Hi Charlie .. will these do?

prairebeltsabrestraps.jpg Prairiebelt01.jpg prairiebelt02.jpg prairiebelt04.jpg 

Although sabres were rarely issued / carried there was still provision made for carrying them .. though most of the pics I've found post 1880 only show them clipped to the saddle, unless in full dress uniform. However, even as late as 1892 they were making, for the Mills belt, woven sabre straps, as in the pic below

1892Millsbeltwithwovensabreclips.jpg 

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I know the pic that Ranger was referring to .. of D Company 3rd Cavalry .. but if you blow that pic up, what you see is that some of the guys are wearing the leather 'eagle Plate' belt, but some are wearing first model canvas Prairie belts (with conventional buckle), and at least two appear to have the Mills type belt (see the two one-stripers in the background).

I guess its as we've discussed before .. gear took a long time to get from Central Quartermaster to Frontier troops .. and even then, individuals might exercise their own preferences.

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It would be rare to f7nd any cavalry man with a sabre in the 80's. Garrison and parade use.

As state leather belt would be worn with hangers pictured.

Picture above I belive is a posed picture.

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There's no doubt that its 'posed' BC, given the necessary exposure times  .. but according to the 3rd Cavalry Association, it is D Troop 3rd Cavalry, not people dressed up. However, there is dispute over when it was taken, and the consensus seems to be that it was 1886 / 87 .. in which case it wasn't during their involvement in the Apache Wars, as the 3rd was back in Texas by 1886.

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Ditto on the Billy front, he can work miracles when not running out his production gear. So Charlie, what did you settle on in the end? Do you have a picture in your gear?
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I have been rereading all of the pages on this thread , and forgot just how helpful it was to every one after Charlie posted the original question.
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Still waiting for Charlie's picture though.
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